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 :::::::#Running Onisplit is not a "technical hurdle". "Onisplit.exe -import:nosep *copy* *paste* *copy* *paste*". There, I'm done. If I need to do the same action again, I can just hit the up arrow. In the end, I think hex editing through OUP and doing things the "hard way" actually enables more creativity. You learn exactly how things work out. If I need to make a small change, it takes me about 20 seconds to open up OUP and do it. If I need to make a large change, I can export the file to .xml through Onisplit and do changes there. For many things, the level recombining (level0) is the longest part. A GUI would not speed that up!!
 :::::::#Back on topic: What kind of GUI would you create for a simple flag browser anyways?! What we have seems about as good as it is going to get. (And you can run the Windows version through Bootcamp anyways. Why aren't you?) [[User:Gumby|Gumby]] 18:55, 25 August 2008 (CEST)
+:::::::::0. I never called love_Oni a fool, that was your choice of wording. I respect love_Oni's intelligence, but he is a "virgin" to many aspects of Oni modding (I am too in some areas, but this was a matter of providing a real-life example and it just so happened that I saw a post that fit my needs; was it necessary to point out to geyser, who doesn't browse the forum, who I was actually quoting?). Also, "Virgin" was a pun on his adoration for Madonna. I can assure you that he is not alone in being put off by having to dedicate to memory the material on the TRAM page. That's stuff that should be turned into an intuitive program so end-users don't need to know it.
+:::::::::1. No, I don't. It doesn't seem that hard to me.
+:::::::::2. I've already explained my views on this so I won't bother repeating anything, except to say that there might very well be more modders if we had a GUI. Why are you pissed at me when I already acknowledged that there weren't many modders who would use the tool? I was the one who said that first.
+:::::::::3. Making changes via a command line and XML bloody well <u>is</u> a technical hurdle. Why was the GUI invented, otherwise? No disrespect meant to Neo, who I think is awesome. He's like the frontline hacker who publishes his discoveries, and then others start from where he leaves off to bring his hard work to the masses.
+:::::::::3.5 "'''doing things the "hard way" actually enables more creativity'''" Crap, did I call this one, or what, geyser? Some people are impervious to progress, it seems.
+:::::::::4. Huh? I already outlined what I would do for a flag browser, then I found out that ZDLO has already done it. End of story.
+:::::::::4.5. '''"Why aren't you?"''' But, I am.
+:::::::::P.S.: Mac users are in an inferior modding situation because we can't use every program (OUP, OniBrowser e.g.) that you can. That doesn't mean that Mac users should be expected to do all their Oni work in Windows. But ultimately, why are we having this conversation? Gumby, any GUI that someone wrote for Windows would have to be written by someone else for the Mac, right? So this discussion does not entail any work on your part. Really, at this point, it would fall to Ed (who is already doing related work) and myself to do something nice for Mac users. And perhaps that's just as well, if we're the only ones who appreciate GUIs. I can guarantee that the other Mac users would lap our work up eagerly and modding on our side would outpace the Windows side. For the time being, of course, I can only talk about it because I won't have the time to act until a couple other Oni projects are done. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 22:13, 25 August 2008 (CEST)