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::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 13:17, 3 October 2006 (CEST)  | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 13:17, 3 October 2006 (CEST)  | ||
The answer is in what happened before the scene and I didn't tell you: Avatar asked Konoko to rescue his staff first.    | :The answer is in what happened before the scene and I didn't tell you:  | ||
::Avatar asked Konoko to rescue his staff first.   | |||
:::"No, not me. Take [care of] them first. There is time for me."  | |||
:This request might convey a seemingly altruistic nature.  | |||
::However I imagined something actually ''different''.  | |||
:Avatar once faced death and the loss of Simone, during the cataclysm.  | |||
::Now he finds himself again on the brink of death, trapped in his flaming car.  | |||
:::Just like before he is trapped and powerless.  | |||
:Whether he's aware of it or not, the sight of those spreading fires makes him recall   | |||
::that final moment with Simone, when her life was fading out in front of him.  | |||
:All he needs to make a perfect replica of that moment is to be left alone for just a few seconds.  | |||
:The car crash took him by surprise, but now rather than striving for his own safety,  | |||
::he is somehow paradoxically attracted by the perspective of staying there on his own.  | |||
:In a way it is the first chance he has ever got in his avatar-unlife  | |||
::to come back to where all began: again so close and yet so distant to Simone.  | |||
:Also, the principle of fire can be considered as opposite to snow:  | |||
::though a destructive one, its effects can be considered symmetrical to Avatar's personality.  | |||
:Snow "burns" when one touches it, like fire. But the former has a different effect:  | |||
::it preserves rather than consuming to ash.  | |||
:So we may toy with these two elements:  | |||
::the frozen winter night marking the moment in which Blackwater's life becomes like suspended in a dream,  | |||
:::and the fire, representing the re- awakening of his past memories and the meaning of pain.  | |||
:(ok, just an idea)  | |||
::[[User:Guido|Guido]] 16:45, 24 November 2006 (CEST)  | |||
:Freezing. Thawing off. Nice. I may try and work on that symmetry "on the snowy side"...  | |||
:You ''do'' realize that your original dialogue and directions conveyed none of that, don't you?  | |||
::[[User:  | :And that it's nearly impossible to guess those things "right"?  | ||
:This page has been around for 2 months, with me understanding little and you saying even less.  | |||
:Wouldn't you call them ''wasted'' months, Guido? As far as this episode is concerned?  | |||
:You and your #%$£!§* "over-understatement"...  | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:47, 24 November 2006 (CET)  | |||
:Sorry for pushing you, but "I thought you were ''it'' do die" : what the???  | |||
:My exploding head is feeling better, but only a little, Guido, only a little...  | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:47, 24 November 2006 (CET)  | |||
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:Looking at that "passer-by" is really different from looking in a mirror. Just a few thoughts... Multiple reflection are hell to render accurately.  | :Looking at that "passer-by" is really different from looking in a mirror. Just a few thoughts... Multiple reflection are hell to render accurately.  | ||
:But a Konoko who's "passing herself" on her way out of the compound (during the monologue) is quite appealing, IMO. It's about missed opportunities...  | :But a Konoko who's "passing herself" on her way out of the compound (during the monologue) is quite appealing, IMO. It's about missed opportunities...  | ||
:[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)  | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)  | ||
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Latest revision as of 02:09, 4 May 2022
- Question
 - He was driving. He's badly injured. The car's on fire.
 - She wants him to live and she wants him to understand that.
 - Why didn't she rescue him first?
- geyser 13:17, 3 October 2006 (CEST)
 
 
- The answer is in what happened before the scene and I didn't tell you:
- Avatar asked Konoko to rescue his staff first.
- "No, not me. Take [care of] them first. There is time for me."
 
 
 - Avatar asked Konoko to rescue his staff first.
 - This request might convey a seemingly altruistic nature.
- However I imagined something actually different.
 
 - Avatar once faced death and the loss of Simone, during the cataclysm.
- Now he finds himself again on the brink of death, trapped in his flaming car.
- Just like before he is trapped and powerless.
 
 
 - Now he finds himself again on the brink of death, trapped in his flaming car.
 - Whether he's aware of it or not, the sight of those spreading fires makes him recall
- that final moment with Simone, when her life was fading out in front of him.
 
 - All he needs to make a perfect replica of that moment is to be left alone for just a few seconds.
 - The car crash took him by surprise, but now rather than striving for his own safety,
- he is somehow paradoxically attracted by the perspective of staying there on his own.
 
 - In a way it is the first chance he has ever got in his avatar-unlife
- to come back to where all began: again so close and yet so distant to Simone.
 
 
- Also, the principle of fire can be considered as opposite to snow:
- though a destructive one, its effects can be considered symmetrical to Avatar's personality.
 
 - Snow "burns" when one touches it, like fire. But the former has a different effect:
- it preserves rather than consuming to ash.
 
 - So we may toy with these two elements:
- the frozen winter night marking the moment in which Blackwater's life becomes like suspended in a dream,
- and the fire, representing the re- awakening of his past memories and the meaning of pain.
 
 
 - the frozen winter night marking the moment in which Blackwater's life becomes like suspended in a dream,
 - (ok, just an idea)
- Guido 16:45, 24 November 2006 (CEST)
 
 
- Freezing. Thawing off. Nice. I may try and work on that symmetry "on the snowy side"...
 - You do realize that your original dialogue and directions conveyed none of that, don't you?
 - And that it's nearly impossible to guess those things "right"?
 - This page has been around for 2 months, with me understanding little and you saying even less.
 - Wouldn't you call them wasted months, Guido? As far as this episode is concerned?
 - You and your #%$£!§* "over-understatement"...
- geyser 17:47, 24 November 2006 (CET)
 
 - Sorry for pushing you, but "I thought you were it do die" : what the???
 - My exploding head is feeling better, but only a little, Guido, only a little...
- geyser 17:47, 24 November 2006 (CET)
 
 
- Comment
 - good dramatic visual opening. captivating.
 - conversation between mai and john needs work. personally i think it comes off as cliche because blackwater doesn't see it coming -- and this should be obvious to him, as it is to the reader, by mai dragging him from his burning car and bandaging him.
 - Why, I'd say he does see it coming... He acknowledges Konoko's mercy early on, and the dialogue is basically him being curious about her reasons.
- geyser 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)
 
 
- the grieve reference intrigues me, but this scene has to be pivotal by nature of it's function (enlightening konoko).
 - What I'd like you to do is "bracket" this scene -- the nature of kon's grudge against blackwater, what she does next, their previous experiences together, all relevant related info.
 - That "bracketing" is what wiki nodes are all about. Anything that calls for further development (here, for instance, Konoko's encounter with Grieve) gets a new page, to which we link from here.
- geyser 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)
 
 
- Other questions -- she saves his life, he's important to her, yet she walks away. Why? She has nothing left, doesn't she?
 - cf her monologue. Note that it ends on a question.
- geyser 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)
 
 
- Lastly, blackwater becomes a big loose end if you leave him alive. You'll need to resolve that.
 - Yes, he does become a loose end. No, we don't have to resolve it. Think different. ^^
- geyser 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)
 
 
- Every time I look at my reflection...
 - Ever went past two glass/mirror panes meeting at a right angle? You're basically passing another you.
 - Not a mirrored one; one rotated by 180° and headed in a direction opposite to yours. Looking at you... And then... nothing.
 - Looking at that "passer-by" is really different from looking in a mirror. Just a few thoughts... Multiple reflection are hell to render accurately.
 - But a Konoko who's "passing herself" on her way out of the compound (during the monologue) is quite appealing, IMO. It's about missed opportunities...
- geyser 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)