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 :::::::"He wanted the android for information (obtained off-screen), as he clearly stated." -- no he didn't, I'm sorry, no. He is saying that Shinatama is (likely!) used to monitor Mai's progress (as a Daodan symbiote?), but in no way is this clause directly stated as Muro's motive for "wanting" Shinatama and for having her kidnapped. It's Muro rationalizing the existence of an SLD that's neurolinked to Mai back at TCTF HQ -- no more, no less. If you "need" that logical link, then say so. But don't act like it's there intrinsically. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:37, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
 ::::::::We're definitely going to have to agree to disagree on this one. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 19:47, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::::::::I realized (better late than never) that the "graveyard shift" of {{C|6}} is past midnight, i.e., Shinatama is kidnapped in the night between Nov 23 and Nov 24. This leaves, for the ACCs, the conflicting timestamps of {{C|7}} (early morning of Nov 24) and {{C|8}} (late evening of Nov 24). Clearly one of the two consoles at the ACCs will have to be discarded and corrected, and the choice will depend on the "story flow" implied for the "lost chapter (time span between {{C|6}} and {{C|7}}):
+:::::::::#The {{C|8}} timestamps leave Muro/Kojiro/Mukade/Whoever with a whole working day to analyze Shinatama however and wherever they want, instead of flying her directly to the ACC for casual torture. On the other hand, Griffin's "strike team" is apparently in hot pursuit (otherwise they'd have to pick up a lost trail and go to the improbable ACC location based on some unclear intel). With Griffin's men on their tail, any intermediate locations used to analyze Shinatama would be compromised. Going to the ACCs early and spending the whole day there doesn't make sense either.
+:::::::::#The {{C|7}} timestamps suggest a mugh tighter timeline, roughly as follows: Konoko immediately gets dressed for the rescue mission, then confronts Griffin in the briefing room; by that time Griffin has rushed back to HQ and "dispatched a strike team to recover the SLD"; the Strikers go directly to the ACC, not minding being tracked, and start descending through the tiers; by the time Konoko has reached the ACC's upper levels, Shinatama is presented to Muro in the generator room. All this happens within the same graveyard shift as in {{C|6}}.
+:::::::::Another thing I realized -- better late than never -- is that we need separated pages for discussions like these, because they're self-contained and very specifically mod-oriented. Not now, of course, 'cause everyone is so busy, but I'll think of a good place and layout for these. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 21:50, 11 June 2020 (CEST)
 :::::As for extracting the data, "I have seen everything you have seen" isn't really the same as "I have all the big data at the tip of my tongue.". Even if Shinatama's RAM still holds the current and most relevant data about Mai's status as a symbiote, extracting it from her verbally will be a pain (pun intended), and interfacing with her electronically might involve custom ports/drivers/protocols that Muro does not necessarily possess, and wouldn't be able to conjure up in just a few hours. So if I were Muro/Mukade/Kojiro, I'd use my time at the TCTF HQ to grab Shinatama ''and'' the data. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 15:35, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
 :My suggestion (in the TNZ scope and more generally) is to present the RSB/Rooftops episode as Mukade's initiative. Whoever or whatever he is, he's messing with Mai in his own way, and it has nothing to do with Muro. Unlike Konoko, he can apparenly hack the data from ''any'' terminal and not just the one in the basement, and yet he puts on a show: killing cops in the lobby (after making sure that more are on the way) just in time for Konoko's arrival; leaving a trail of corpses throughout the building; waiting for Konoko to come online before he starts stripping files right in front of her, then waiting for her to catch up with him again, and again, and again... Chase sequences often have awkwardly convenient timing, but here it's just too much. At the very least, he has a perverted crush on her, and is going out of his way to freak her out. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)