User talk:Guido/Wishlist/Part 1: Difference between revisions
< User talk:Guido | Wishlist
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
m (more talk) |
m (+cat) |
||
(3 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown) | |||
Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
{{GuidoWishlist|right}} | |||
;Question | ;Question | ||
:He was driving. He's badly injured. The car's on fire. | :He was driving. He's badly injured. The car's on fire. | ||
Line 4: | Line 5: | ||
:Why didn't she rescue him first? | :Why didn't she rescue him first? | ||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 13:17, 3 October 2006 (CEST) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 13:17, 3 October 2006 (CEST) | ||
:The answer is in what happened before the scene and I didn't tell you: | |||
::Avatar asked Konoko to rescue his staff first. | |||
:::"No, not me. Take [care of] them first. There is time for me." | |||
:This request might convey a seemingly altruistic nature. | |||
::However I imagined something actually ''different''. | |||
:Avatar once faced death and the loss of Simone, during the cataclysm. | |||
::Now he finds himself again on the brink of death, trapped in his flaming car. | |||
:::Just like before he is trapped and powerless. | |||
:Whether he's aware of it or not, the sight of those spreading fires makes him recall | |||
::that final moment with Simone, when her life was fading out in front of him. | |||
:All he needs to make a perfect replica of that moment is to be left alone for just a few seconds. | |||
:The car crash took him by surprise, but now rather than striving for his own safety, | |||
::he is somehow paradoxically attracted by the perspective of staying there on his own. | |||
:In a way it is the first chance he has ever got in his avatar-unlife | |||
::to come back to where all began: again so close and yet so distant to Simone. | |||
:Also, the principle of fire can be considered as opposite to snow: | |||
::though a destructive one, its effects can be considered symmetrical to Avatar's personality. | |||
:Snow "burns" when one touches it, like fire. But the former has a different effect: | |||
::it preserves rather than consuming to ash. | |||
:So we may toy with these two elements: | |||
::the frozen winter night marking the moment in which Blackwater's life becomes like suspended in a dream, | |||
:::and the fire, representing the re- awakening of his past memories and the meaning of pain. | |||
:(ok, just an idea) | |||
::[[User:Guido|Guido]] 16:45, 24 November 2006 (CEST) | |||
:Freezing. Thawing off. Nice. I may try and work on that symmetry "on the snowy side"... | |||
:You ''do'' realize that your original dialogue and directions conveyed none of that, don't you? | |||
:And that it's nearly impossible to guess those things "right"? | |||
:This page has been around for 2 months, with me understanding little and you saying even less. | |||
:Wouldn't you call them ''wasted'' months, Guido? As far as this episode is concerned? | |||
:You and your #%$£!§* "over-understatement"... | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:47, 24 November 2006 (CET) | |||
:Sorry for pushing you, but "I thought you were ''it'' do die" : what the??? | |||
:My exploding head is feeling better, but only a little, Guido, only a little... | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:47, 24 November 2006 (CET) | |||
---- | ---- | ||
---- | ---- | ||
Line 35: | Line 73: | ||
:Looking at that "passer-by" is really different from looking in a mirror. Just a few thoughts... Multiple reflection are hell to render accurately. | :Looking at that "passer-by" is really different from looking in a mirror. Just a few thoughts... Multiple reflection are hell to render accurately. | ||
:But a Konoko who's "passing herself" on her way out of the compound (during the monologue) is quite appealing, IMO. It's about missed opportunities... | :But a Konoko who's "passing herself" on her way out of the compound (during the monologue) is quite appealing, IMO. It's about missed opportunities... | ||
:[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST) | ||
[[Category:Oni 2]] |
Latest revision as of 02:09, 4 May 2022
- Question
- He was driving. He's badly injured. The car's on fire.
- She wants him to live and she wants him to understand that.
- Why didn't she rescue him first?
- geyser 13:17, 3 October 2006 (CEST)
- The answer is in what happened before the scene and I didn't tell you:
- Avatar asked Konoko to rescue his staff first.
- "No, not me. Take [care of] them first. There is time for me."
- Avatar asked Konoko to rescue his staff first.
- This request might convey a seemingly altruistic nature.
- However I imagined something actually different.
- Avatar once faced death and the loss of Simone, during the cataclysm.
- Now he finds himself again on the brink of death, trapped in his flaming car.
- Just like before he is trapped and powerless.
- Now he finds himself again on the brink of death, trapped in his flaming car.
- Whether he's aware of it or not, the sight of those spreading fires makes him recall
- that final moment with Simone, when her life was fading out in front of him.
- All he needs to make a perfect replica of that moment is to be left alone for just a few seconds.
- The car crash took him by surprise, but now rather than striving for his own safety,
- he is somehow paradoxically attracted by the perspective of staying there on his own.
- In a way it is the first chance he has ever got in his avatar-unlife
- to come back to where all began: again so close and yet so distant to Simone.
- Also, the principle of fire can be considered as opposite to snow:
- though a destructive one, its effects can be considered symmetrical to Avatar's personality.
- Snow "burns" when one touches it, like fire. But the former has a different effect:
- it preserves rather than consuming to ash.
- So we may toy with these two elements:
- the frozen winter night marking the moment in which Blackwater's life becomes like suspended in a dream,
- and the fire, representing the re- awakening of his past memories and the meaning of pain.
- the frozen winter night marking the moment in which Blackwater's life becomes like suspended in a dream,
- (ok, just an idea)
- Guido 16:45, 24 November 2006 (CEST)
- Freezing. Thawing off. Nice. I may try and work on that symmetry "on the snowy side"...
- You do realize that your original dialogue and directions conveyed none of that, don't you?
- And that it's nearly impossible to guess those things "right"?
- This page has been around for 2 months, with me understanding little and you saying even less.
- Wouldn't you call them wasted months, Guido? As far as this episode is concerned?
- You and your #%$£!§* "over-understatement"...
- geyser 17:47, 24 November 2006 (CET)
- Sorry for pushing you, but "I thought you were it do die" : what the???
- My exploding head is feeling better, but only a little, Guido, only a little...
- geyser 17:47, 24 November 2006 (CET)
- Comment
- good dramatic visual opening. captivating.
- conversation between mai and john needs work. personally i think it comes off as cliche because blackwater doesn't see it coming -- and this should be obvious to him, as it is to the reader, by mai dragging him from his burning car and bandaging him.
- Why, I'd say he does see it coming... He acknowledges Konoko's mercy early on, and the dialogue is basically him being curious about her reasons.
- geyser 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)
- the grieve reference intrigues me, but this scene has to be pivotal by nature of it's function (enlightening konoko).
- What I'd like you to do is "bracket" this scene -- the nature of kon's grudge against blackwater, what she does next, their previous experiences together, all relevant related info.
- That "bracketing" is what wiki nodes are all about. Anything that calls for further development (here, for instance, Konoko's encounter with Grieve) gets a new page, to which we link from here.
- geyser 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)
- Other questions -- she saves his life, he's important to her, yet she walks away. Why? She has nothing left, doesn't she?
- cf her monologue. Note that it ends on a question.
- geyser 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)
- Lastly, blackwater becomes a big loose end if you leave him alive. You'll need to resolve that.
- Yes, he does become a loose end. No, we don't have to resolve it. Think different. ^^
- geyser 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)
- Every time I look at my reflection...
- Ever went past two glass/mirror panes meeting at a right angle? You're basically passing another you.
- Not a mirrored one; one rotated by 180° and headed in a direction opposite to yours. Looking at you... And then... nothing.
- Looking at that "passer-by" is really different from looking in a mirror. Just a few thoughts... Multiple reflection are hell to render accurately.
- But a Konoko who's "passing herself" on her way out of the compound (during the monologue) is quite appealing, IMO. It's about missed opportunities...
- geyser 05:44, 16 October 2006 (CEST)