User talk:Geyser
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- that includes adding stuff to DAT, static object IDs, the Fight of the Century, all that... ^^
- Pathfinding & Co moved to OBD_talk:AKVA
- Outdated talk deleted at 02:42, 14 February 2008 (CET)
Images
- Hi geyser, you really need to move all this talk out to an archive :)
- Well, as you can see, I went a little nuts with the wiki, but I am only putting ideas out there, to be cleaned up later if you don't like :)
- See the talk page for the main page for more.
- Iritscen 17:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)
- A question about your Oni cycles: Is the blue "O" and the gold-silver wiki icon designed by yourself? We just want to clarify stuff.
- Paradox-01 21:45, 16 January 2008 (CET)
- Obviously the "O" is the same logo as THIS ONE. I just flipped it around and inverted the color channels.
- (although, come to think of it, I actually did edit it a bit because the "halo" was missing a few pixels)
- geyser 23:11, 16 January 2008 (CET)
- So... is the blue "O" official, i.e., from Bungie? That's the main question.
- Iritscen 16:21, 17 January 2008 (CET)
- Dunno, duncare. I got them from Google Image :)
- Can't find them now for some reason, either one.
- The smaller O (32x32) is from the Godgames site.
- The bigger one (128x128) seems to be from Feral.
- Both of them supposedly created by/for Bungie.
- The ones we use have been edited by myself.
- geyser 02:08, 20 January 2008 (CET)
"Oni"
The page at "Oni" should probably be devoted to info about the video game (release date, reception, deadline difficulties, etc.). Would you mind if I moved your page from "Oni" to "Oni (name)"? Or something similar? Also, I think the item about Oni's title at the bottom of Names should link to that page, although technically you don't address the real origin of the name there -- that is, it sounded like a cool working title and only later was made the official name. --Iritscen 17:11, 29 January 2008 (CET)
- Okay, this is an obsolete topic now, as I have already acted on this. --Iritscen 18:59, 5 February 2008 (CET)
Animation Lists
I noticed that there are lists of animations, and maybe other data, that are externally linked to .txts on your oni2 page, geyser. Yes, it is still on the same server, but I did a total download of the wiki at one point so I could read it offline, and the part I was most interested in was missing because it was an external link. I think we should convert those lists into table that are on wiki pages. Do you agree? --Iritscen 17:30, 29 January 2008 (CET)
BSL:Scripts
This page is redundant. All the info here is also at BSL, which links to it. I assume you're okay with deleting it, but I don't know to do that. Is that reserved for you as the admin? P.S.: Sorry for inundating your talk page today, I know you're busy. --Iritscen 18:04, 29 January 2008 (CET)
- Lol, that is an older page, the move was made by me...
- Before, the main page linked to that page, and from that page you went to the other page...I moved all the info over but neglected to delete the old page :P Gumby 08:50, 30 January 2008 (CET)
Ahh, we need to give someone moderating powers so they can delete stuff...I nominate Iretscen! :P gumby 00:35, 31 January 2008 (CET)
Just give me some time and I'll delete everything I think needs deleting. geyser 17:50, 31 January 2008 (CET)
Redlinks
I noticed that you are fond of linking to pages that haven't been written yet. This is fine in and of itself. However, sometimes the redlinks are for nearly-unrelated subjects like Nausicaa and Halo. Are you actually planning to write those pages or have someone else do them? Because unless you have some way of tying them directly into Oni, I think we should just be linking to Wikipedia entries on those subjects, like we have done elsewhere. --Iritscen 19:56, 5 February 2008 (CET)
- Take your time to explore this wiki as well as Oni Central Forum. You will see that there are plenty more or less random connections to Oni's universe, especially for the Nausicaa graphic novel or Ergo Proxy (see: Miyazaki, BioCrisis).
- There are definitely familiar concepts calling for integration with Oni's, in the spirit of the Glass Bead Game. I would defnitely love to see these connections developed upon (and most often all it takes is a backup of existing forum/chat talk).
- Also note that even in the absence of a direct connection, anything that is part of human culture has its place on our wiki (see Talk:Pain or Talk:Pride, for example). It's all potentially relevant at the end of the day, especially to storytelling projects.
- I regard the Wikipedia links as placeholders, since they don't allow us to add value beyond a simple citation. Virtually every link-to-wikipedia (except for technical vocabulary and such) deserves a page on our own wiki, with a mere link to Wikipedia.
- geyser 20:17, 5 February 2008 (CET)
- "...more or less random connections to Oni's universe...". Now you're doing it just to annoy me, aren't you? ;-p
- When I look through the Wanted Pages page that lists redlinks, it's just a little frustrating that there are a few hundred redlinks and less than a hundred actual articles (going by NUMBEROFARTICLES, anyway). It seems that you are expecting the community to basically move their chatting over to the wiki and add those pages in as they discuss Oni's universe, but the truth is, I just don't see it happening. I see that at times there have been lengthy discussions on the wiki, but it's not happening now, and even if it was, you couldn't direct the discussions by making redlinks. All it does is obscure actual needed pages like Kerr (which I will probably do myself soon).
- At the very least, if you could add a one-sentence article for your redlinks like Nausicaa explaining the gist of the connection to Oni... otherwise, no one's going to do it. WP would call those stubs, and we know how anal about stubs they are, but they don't bother me at all. You could view them as footnotes explaining the reason for your reference in another article.
- Iritscen 20:28, 5 February 2008 (CET)
- Thanks for remaining oblivious to the Current events page, where you can display a selection of "publicly relevant" redlinks.
- I don't know (don't care) what NUMBEROFARTICLES stands for. Or that obscure "number of pages". So, don't you give me stats ^_^
- Wikis are a spontaneous thing. Everyone can see the Kerr redlink here and there, and those who care about Kerr will fill in.
- Quite similarly, everyone can see the death redlink here and there; it will "find" those who care to fill it in... eventually.
- (short digression on navigation, you do know that the main page is just something to get the newcomers started, don't you?)
- (for everyday use, a wiki practically navigates itself through the Go/Search button, the intralinks, and the browser's cache)
- It's all about spontaneity. And creativity. If no one cares to contribute, you will, and if you won't, I will. Eventually ^_^
- In the worst case, the wiki will become sorta like a collection of "things of interest" with me as the only "interested" guy.
- Your point about footnotes is correct. I meant to do them. Consider them as missed opportunities waiting for another chance.
- geyser 23:41, 5 February 2008 (CET)
Page Deletion
You should really archive your old Talk, you know. Anyway, if I blank a page (such as one that has been incorporated into another page), does that flag it for you to delete? --Iritscen 19:24, 12 February 2008 (CET)
- "You should really archive your old Talk, you know." Second time in a month. Born to nag, eh? What an attitude... Seriously, that kind of reminders makes me feel very, very old. Like I have no future here. Oh well, we'll see.
- No, we (Alloc and I) don't get notified about pages that go empty. We only get special notifications for our talk page, and an emphasis when viewing "Recent changes" for the pages on our watch list (pretty much like everybody else).
- Anyway, no need to rush anyone over an orphaned, blank page. Having it stick around is not going to kill anyone, is it? I guess the most sensible thing for you to do is to type "CAN BE DELETED" in your last edit of the page.
- geyser 02:42, 14 February 2008 (CET)
Okay, I really thought you got flagged on those somehow. I suppose you can use Special:Short pages to find the blanked pages easily. Still, I will put notes about deletion in any blanking edits I make. Not that it happens that often. --Iritscen 16:10, 14 February 2008 (CET)
- Don't even think about using templates and such for that stuff.
- I told you: no one cares about a blanked, orphaned page. No one.
- So, put up a note and just forget about it... No need for a memo.
- Stop thinking of ways for us to admin the wiki "more efficiently".
- Don't you take the "fun" out of "functionality". I warned you :)
- geyser 19:36, 14 February 2008 (CET)
Quotes/Consoles
So, uh, what's up with the console quotes? As far as I can tell, some are on orphaned subpages like Quotes/Consoles/level 14b, and others are still on Quotes/Consoles. I agree with the idea (wherever it was) to put each console on its own page so it can be quoted easily on other pages. Is that still in process? Should the consoles still on Consoles be getting moved to their own subpages? And then Consoles would simply list its subpages, right? --Iritscen 18:05, 13 February 2008 (CET)
- "orphaned subpages"? orphaned? What the...
- As far as I can tell, the process is complete.
- All the consoles are transcluded from subpages.
- So you don't need to do anything, thank you...
- (unless you want to quote them from elsewhere)
- geyser 02:42, 14 February 2008 (CET)
Okay, you're really good at confusing the &%$& out of me, geyser. Please do this: Click Special pages. Click Orphaned pages. See all the Console subpages? Pick a random one, say, level10a. Look it over. Now use the link at the top of the page to back out to the Consoles page. Note that under Chapter 10, there are no consoles. There's nothing. Now notice all the consoles that are still on that main Consoles page, for instance, level1a. Level1a is also an orphaned subpage of Consoles. Surely you are not suggesting this is a finished process and that things are supposed to look that way. Surely. --Iritscen 15:36, 14 February 2008 (CET)
- You should really take some extra time before taking actions or making statements.
- First and foremost, why don't you take a long look at Quotes/Consoles as a user?
- Is there anything inaccurate or odd about the way it lists Oni's terminals? Really?
- geyser 19:58, 14 February 2008 (CET)
- The oddness isn't how that page alone works, it's how the stranded pages are set up. See below. --Iritscen 20:25, 14 February 2008 (CET)
- Pages like Quotes/Consoles/level10a are not linked to from anywhere. True.
- But, they're transcluded from their parent page. All of them. Yes. Yes they are.
- Now. Why would you expect any consoles in CHAPTER 10 . CAT AND MOUSE ???
- Didn't it strike you that "level10a" doesn't belong to Rooftops? Why not?
- Levels and chapters are not the same. Level 10 is chapter 8. Duh.
- And as you can see, it's adequately transcluded into Consoles...
- geyser 19:58, 14 February 2008 (CET)
- Okay, well, that's potentially pretty confusing, but I see what you mean. --Iritscen 20:25, 14 February 2008 (CET)
- Sorry if I'm rude, but I'm a bit exasperated by such "attacks".
- Really, dude, take the time to analyze the stuff at your disposal.
- For example, no upgrades for the Mac? Really? Really really? Damn.
- OMNI's port, anyone? Lots of fixes to that app by SFeli & Neo & Co?
- Such inconsiderate edits to the Main Page are, well, irritating. Stop.
- geyser 19:58, 14 February 2008 (CET)
- Uh, first of all, I have done nothing but improve the Main Page that was half done when you stuck it up there. Second, I never spoke those words you put in quotes about no Mac upgrades; I did imply that there were no other upgrades than the Daodan by making that the only link where before there was a redlink for Upgrades. Well, so far you haven't proven me wrong about my implication; if you're calling these upgrades, then you're just redefining an English word on a whim. Thirdly, I never attacked you. I never called the Console arrangement, or you, "stupid", or used any other "attack word". I merely said, and I quote from right above us, "What's up?", and "Is that still in process?" Now that I see what you mean by transcluded, there's no need to be uppity. All you had to do was explain. --Iritscen 20:25, 14 February 2008 (CET)
- That said, I appreciate your take on Chapters. It's not perfect, but a good start.
- Maybe you should keep working on Chapters and on them alone, hmm? ;)
- geyser 19:58, 14 February 2008 (CET)
Oni2 Storylines
I'm eyeing this redlinked title, "Wasteland Flowers". Whose is that? Is somebody going to fill something in there? I did some brainstorming for an Oni sequel that I would like to add to the wiki at some point, but I don't have a name for it.........hint hint. Nudge nudge. Wink wink. --Iritscen 16:59, 19 February 2008 (CET)
- (Giving you a hint? lol We don't even know what your story is about.) --Paradox-01 17:21, 19 February 2008 (CET)
- I'm the one who's hinting; hinting that if no one else is going to use the name, I will. --Iritscen 18:18, 19 February 2008 (CET)