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==Ragged Konoko==
==Ragged Konoko==
[[Image:GUIDORaggedKonoko.jpg|right|thumb|Ragged Konoko]]
[[Image:Guido - Ragged Konoko.jpg|right|thumb|Ragged Konoko]]


:good.  short, sweet, to the point.
:good.  short, sweet, to the point.
:I have a hard time imagining konoko ragged -- after all, she's the toughest and quickest to bounce back, and she has a lot of pride -- but that's my only crit.
:I have a hard time imagining konoko ragged -- after all, she's the toughest and quickest to bounce back, and she has a lot of pride -- but that's my only crit.
:once again, a well done scene.
:once again, a well done scene.
::[[User;AF|AF]]
::;AF
:Picture yourself spending a few weeks in a weather-battered wasteland, with no spare clothes, hardly any drinkable water, and nothing but rock-hard soil to sleep on.
:Picture yourself spending a few weeks in a weather-battered wasteland, with no spare clothes, hardly any drinkable water, and nothing but rock-hard soil to sleep on.
:Take someone who's been pedaling uphill, or climbing up a cliff... a whole day long, and under the pouring rain... and then try imagine what they'd look like after several days/weeks/months of such activity.
:Take someone who's been pedaling uphill, or climbing up a cliff... a whole day long, and under the pouring rain... and then try imagine what they'd look like after several days/weeks/months of such activity.
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:If you choose to picture Konoko as struggling with the environment rather than adapting to it, then you are missing Oni's "symbiosis" completely, and that's a shame.
:If you choose to picture Konoko as struggling with the environment rather than adapting to it, then you are missing Oni's "symbiosis" completely, and that's a shame.
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:13, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:13, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
[[Image:GUIDO Who said I enjoy acid showers.jpg|right]]
[[Image:Guido - Who said I enjoy acid showers.jpg|right]]
:Well let's take a look at the splashscreen in the end of {{C12}}.
:Well let's take a look at the splashscreen in the end of {{C12}}.
:Konoko doesn't give me the idea she is enjoying the acid bath.
:Konoko doesn't give me the idea she is enjoying the acid bath.
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::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 15:07, 30 October 2006 (CET)
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 15:07, 30 October 2006 (CET)


KONOKO'S PAIN
Follow-up discussion moved on [[Talk:Pain]].
Physical endurance and being unaffected by pain are often pictured by science-fiction  and fantasy literature as the two entwined elements. Toghether they define what we call invincibilty.  However the Daodan has not to be considered really so ''invincible''. It may be better considered as an enhanced organism where new faculties are given an human shape. At this regard, in Akira movie ( I cannot recall the passage in the manga) there is a well fitting passage where two characters question about what an amoeba might do if provided with the faculties of a human being. Put in other terms, all that an ameba can do is eating, but what might happen if the amoeba were given the ability to produce effects at the same extent the actions of a human being have? This metaphor shows very well what a daodan (and in parallel akira) are: the principle of human body remains the same, its actions are qualitatively quite the same, however the size and the impact of these actions are completely different. The enlargment of the scope and size of impacts are also a way to caricaturize what true humanity is... but I am losing focus.
 
:So I'd rather suggest that an improved body may feature the same ability to sense or perceive, if not even an improved one.
 
In this second case, pain is a big inconvenient for a resilient body. The higher is your resistence, the more you will endure pain. The level of pain is often associated to the level of physical stress: when the stress is demanding too much from a body, that organism will ultimately die. This principle is countered only by torture which is a technique or discipline (a deranged one)  of generating the highest amount of pain with the lowest level of physical stress. But since we are not referring to torture but to the usual accidents  causing pain or harm, we have to imagine that pain and physical stress are two effects somehow connected.
 
In practice our bodies are able to survive a stress only up to a given level. When this level is reached we may easily die. By consequence there are levels of pain we may never experience in our life (or levels of pain no one in history has ever experienced): or we die, or our organism produces a particular response that we call losing counsciousness. Now consider a body with an enhanced level of endurance: still its structure and functioning are similar to ours, however this body is able to resist in situations beyond common survival. What I am trying to say that Konoko has experienced pain more than anyone else (see acid bath), and similarly Mukade (see recovering form brocken neck).
Which is the maximum level? The level of pain caused by a stress a Daodan cannot withstand (nuke bombings? no athmosperic pressure? a powerful ten days long acid bath? laser surgery dissectioning?)
 
on a relative scale: two stabs in Konoko's belly are a relatively low stress for a Daodan improved body and its self-healing capabilities. In absolute scale the perceived pain is equal to the pain experienced by a common individual.
 
::[[User:Guido|guido]] 00:09, 29 November 2006 (CET)




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[[Image:GUIDO When you need an umbrella.jpg|right]]
[[Image:Guido - When you need an umbrella.jpg|right]]
;Ragged Konoko (redux)
;Ragged Konoko (redux)
:Bottom line for me as for the explanatory sentences :
:Bottom line for me as for the explanatory sentences :
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:After a good look at Konoko, Kazuo reconsiders his initial impressions, maybe Ms. Hishikawa realizes something as well?
:After a good look at Konoko, Kazuo reconsiders his initial impressions, maybe Ms. Hishikawa realizes something as well?
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:13, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:13, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
:BTW, whatever "''crusty'' woman" is supposed to mean... The meaning you put into it is ''almost'' clear, but isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusty#Stereotype "crusty"] completely improper?
:BTW, whatever "''crusty'' woman" is supposed to mean... The meaning you put into it is ''almost'' clear, but isn't [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crusty&direction=prev&oldid=124117982#Stereotype "crusty"] completely improper?


as far as I know "crusty" can be referred ''sensu latu'' to a person , like a military officer.
as far as I know "crusty" can be referred ''sensu latu'' to a person , like a military officer.
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:It would help if she's indeed f##ked-up by her exile, but then again I have trouble imagining her f##ked-up, too.
:It would help if she's indeed f##ked-up by her exile, but then again I have trouble imagining her f##ked-up, too.
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:13, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:13, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
:I am convinced that the exile is a choice or a status mirroring Konoko's pride rather than a surrender. [...]
::[[User:Guido|guido]] 22:24, 29 November 2006 (CEST)
;Follow-up discussion moved on [[Talk:Pride]]...


I am convinced that the exile is a choice or a status mirroring Konoko's pride rather than a surrender.
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It represents how Konoko is uncapable of finding a ''compromise'' with the world around her and the consequences of her actionson the life of those people she was used to think as her protected. In this sense I see a strong similarity with the concept of amnesia: at the same time we assume a more pessimistic view, since we say there is no way out, there is no relase from pain and guilt. Amnesia would be a too generous gift in these cases, and self-denial is not an easy thing to get.
 
Konoko  thinks of herself as someone special (an incarnation of evil? an half-savior? an alien?), she considers her guilt so great that no one might conceive, understand or embrace. Her power to protect or to destroy is such great, that she has resolved no one should be allowed to ''use'' her again: not a person who is capable of doing a mistake- She's secretely convinced her potential is so unique and nothing in the world would be worth of exploiting it. Her involvment in the small contests can represent only waste her potential, the real world won't let her "blossom" in the way she and the Daodan should deserve. There's no one left to explain her the way she might follow.
She thinks no enemy is a match for her: where's the thrill of rivalry and having an enemy then? Konoko is not willing to accept lessons any more, from anyone. So how can we expect she will accept authority once more?
 
More than the exile itself, it is the end of the exile that I am interested in: on one side we describe the limbo following the cataclysm ad the reduced scope of action of both CWG and Syndicate, on the other side we have to describe the event or the chain of events that drive konoko back to society. These events rely on those individuals (extraordinary ones, far less extraordinary ones) showing Konoko her "weaknesses" and her "inner beauty".
 
::[[User:Guido|guido]] 22:24, 29 November 2006 (CEST)
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